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		<title>Housing Choice &#8211; Help Today’s Owners or Future Buyers</title>
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Over the last 18 months, the administration has rolled out just about every program it could think of to prop up the ailing housing market, using tax credits, mortgage modification programs, low interest rates, government-backed loans and other assistance intended to keep values up and delinquent borrowers out of foreclosure. The goal was to stabilize [...]]]></description>
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<p>Over the last 18 months, the administration has rolled out just about every program it could think of to prop up the ailing housing market, using tax credits, mortgage modification programs, low interest rates, government-backed loans and other assistance intended to keep values up and delinquent borrowers out of foreclosure. The goal was to stabilize the market until a resurgent economy created new households that demanded places to live. </p>
<p>As the economy again sputters and potential buyers flee — July housing sales sank 26 percent from July 2009 — there is a growing sense of exhaustion with government intervention. Some economists and analysts are now urging a dose of shock therapy that would greatly shift the benefits to future homeowners: Let the housing market crash. </p>
<p>When prices are lower, these experts argue, buyers will pour in, creating the elusive stability the government has spent billions upon billions trying to achieve. </p>
<p>“Housing needs to go back to reasonable levels,” said Anthony B. Sanders, a professor of real estate finance at George Mason University. “If we keep trying to stimulate the market, that’s the definition of insanity.” </p>
<p>The further the market descends, however, the more miserable one group — important both politically and economically — will be: the tens of millions of homeowners who have already seen their home values drop an average of 30 percent. </p>
<p>The poorer these owners feel, the less likely they will indulge in the sort of consumer spending the economy needs to recover. If they see an identical house down the street going for half what they owe, the temptation to default might be irresistible. That could make the market’s current malaise seem minor. </p>
<p>Caught in the middle is an administration that gambled on a recovery that is not happening. </p>
<p>“The administration made a bet that a rising economy would solve the housing problem and now they are out of chips,” said Howard Glaser, a former Clinton administration housing official with close ties to policy makers in the administration. “They are deeply worried and don’t really know what to do.” </p>
<p>That was clear last week, when the secretary of housing and urban development, <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/shaun_donovan/index.html?inline=nyt-per" title="More articles about Shaun Donovan.">Shaun Donovan</a>, appeared to side with current homeowners, telling CNN the administration would “go everywhere we can” to make sure the slumping market recovers. </p>
<p>Mr. Donovan even opened the door to another housing tax credit like the one that expired last spring, which paid first-time buyers as much as $8,000 and buyers who were moving up $6,500. The cost to taxpayers was in the neighborhood of $30 billion, much of which went to people who would have bought anyway. </p>
<p>Administration press officers quickly backpedaled from Mr. Donovan’s comment, saying a revived credit was either highly unlikely or flat-out impossible. Mr. Donovan declined to be interviewed for this article. In a statement, a White House spokeswoman responded to questions about possible new stimulus measures by pointing to those already in the works. </p>
<p>“In the weeks ahead, we will focus on successfully getting off the ground programs we have recently announced,” the spokeswoman, Amy Brundage, said. </p>
<p>Among those initiatives are $3 billion to keep the unemployed from losing their homes and a refinancing program that will try to cut the mortgage balances of owners who owe more than their property is worth. A previous program with similar goals had limited success. </p>
<p>If last year’s tax credit was supposed to be a bridge over a rough patch, it ended with a glimpse of the abyss. The average home now takes more than a year to sell. Add in the homes that are foreclosed but not yet for sale and the total is greater still. </p>
<p>Builders are in even worse shape. Sales of new homes are lower than in the depths of the <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/r/recession_and_depression/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about the recession.">recession</a> of the early 1980s, when mortgage rates were double what they are now, unemployment was pervasive and the gloom was at least as thick. </p>
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<p>I don&#8217;t believe the political will is there to do more stimulus for housing. The idea of a $25,000 tax credit for new home purchases is dead before it was conceived. If we are to do anything my opinion is to deal with people who are having trouble staying in their home and helping them to keep it. The distruption of foreclosure both on housing values and necessary tax collection is of vital interest to all of us.</p>
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But on a recent evening, Matthew and Hannah Middlebrooke stood in their new $115,000 three-bedroom ranch house here, which Mr. Middlebrooke bought in June with just $1,000 down. 
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<p>But on a recent evening, Matthew and Hannah Middlebrooke stood in their new $115,000 three-bedroom ranch house here, which Mr. Middlebrooke bought in June with just $1,000 down. </p>
<p>Because he also received a grant to cover closing costs and insurance, the check he wrote at the closing was for 67 cents. </p>
<p>“I thought I’d be stuck renting for years,” said Mr. Middlebrooke, 26, who earns $32,000 a year as a producer for a Christian television ministry. </p>
<p>Although home foreclosures are again expected to top two million this year, <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/fannie_mae/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More information about Federal National Mortgage Association">Fannie Mae</a>, the lending giant that required a government takeover, is creeping back into the market for mortgages with no down payment. </p>
<p>Mr. Middlebrooke’s mortgage came from a new program called Affordable Advantage, available to first-time home buyers in four states and created in conjunction with the states’ housing finance agencies. The program is expected to stay small, said Janis Smith, a spokeswoman for Fannie Mae. </p>
<p>Some experts are concerned about the revival of such mortgages. </p>
<p>“Loans that have zero down payment perform worse than loans with down payments,” said Mathew Scire, a director of the <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/g/government_accountability_office/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More articles about Government Accountability Office, U.S.">Government Accountability Office</a>’s financial markets and community investment team. “And loans with down payment assistance” — like Mr. Middlebrooke’s — “perform worse than those that do not.” </p>
<p>But the surprise is the support these loans have received, even from critics of exotic mortgages, who say low down payments themselves were not the problem, except when combined with other risk factors like adjustable rates or lax underwriting. </p>
<p>Moreover, they say, the housing market needs such nontraditional lending, as long as it is done prudently. </p>
<p>“This is subprime lending done right,” said John Taylor, president of the National Community Reinvestment Coalition, an umbrella group for 600 community organizations, and a staunch critic of the lending industry. “If they had done subprime this way in the first place, we wouldn’t have these problems.” </p>
<p>At Harvard’s Joint Center for Housing Studies, Eric Belsky, the director, said the loans might be the type of step necessary to restart the housing market, because down payment requirements are keeping first-time home buyers out. </p>
<p>“If you look at where the market may get strength from, it may very well be from first-time buyers,” he said. “And a very significant constraint to first-time buyers is the wealth constraint.” </p>
<p>The loans are the idea of state housing finance agencies, or H.F.A.’s, quasi-government entities created to help moderate-income people buy their first homes. </p>
<p>Throughout the foreclosure crisis, the state agencies continued to make loans with low down payments, often to borrowers with tarnished credit, with much lower default rates than comparable mortgages from commercial lenders or the <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_housing_administration/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More articles about the Federal Housing Administration.">Federal Housing Administration</a>. The reason: the agencies did not offer adjustable rates, and they continued to document buyers’ income and assets, which many commercial lenders did not do. In 2009, the agencies’ sources of revenue dried up, and they had to curtail most lending. </p>
<p>Then they created Affordable Advantage. The loans are 30-year fixed mortgages, with mandatory homeownership counseling, available to people with <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/info/credit-score/?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about credit scores.">credit scores</a> of 680 and above (720 in Massachusetts). The buyers have to put in $1,000 and must live in the homes. </p>
<p>All of these requirements ease the risk, said William Fitzpatrick, vice president and senior credit officer of <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/moodys_corporation/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More articles about Moody's Investors Service.">Moody’s Investors Service</a>. “These aren’t the loans that led us into the mortgage crisis,” he said. </p>
<p>So far Idaho, Massachusetts, Minnesota and Wisconsin are offering the loans. The Wisconsin Housing and Economic Development Authority has issued 500 loans since March, making it the first state to act. After six months, there are no delinquencies so far, said Kate Venne, a spokeswoman for the agency. </p>
<p>The agencies buy the loans from lenders, then sell them as securities to Fannie Mae. Because the government now owns 80 percent of Fannie Mae, taxpayers are on the hook if the loans go bad. </p>
<p>The state agencies oversee the servicing of the loans and work with buyers if they fall behind — a mitigating factor, said Mr. Fitzpatrick of <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/moodys_corporation/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More information about Moody's Corporation">Moody’s</a>. </p>
<p>“They have a mission to put people in homes and keep them in homes,” not to foreclose unless other options are exhausted, he said. The loans have interest rates about one-half of a percentage point above comparable loans that require down payments. </p>
<p>Ms. Smith, the spokeswoman for Fannie Mae, distinguished the program from loans of the boom years that “layered risk on top of risk.” </p>
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<p>This is a program that has possibilities and should be watched. It also could relieve some of the pressure on FHA.</p>
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This week, the National Association of Realtors announced that existing-home sales in July had fallen an astounding 25.5 percent from the previous year. Sure, there was a federal tax credit in place last summer. But with single-family home sales at their lowest level since 1995 and unemployment still stubbornly high, home prices may fall further. [...]]]></description>
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<p>This week, the <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/national_association_of_realtors/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More articles about National Association of Realtors">National Association of Realtors</a> <a href="http://www.realtor.org/press_room/news_releases/2010/08/ehs_fall" title="N.A.R. press release.">announced</a> that existing-home sales in July had fallen an astounding 25.5 percent from the previous year. Sure, there was a federal tax credit in place last summer. But with single-family home sales at their lowest level since 1995 and unemployment still stubbornly high, home prices may fall further. </p>
<p>In the meantime, millions of homeowners are still far underwater, and government programs to help them have <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/business/economy/21housing.html" title="New York Times article about Making Home Affordable Program.m">fallen well short</a> of their goals. More foreclosures <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/business/27default.html" title="New York Times article on latest foreclosure statistics and prospects.">are coming</a>, casting a deeper shadow over home prices. So it’s hardly surprising that <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/business/economy/23decline.html" title="New York Times story article predicting little appreciation going forward.">the conventional wisdom</a> says that home values will never again rise faster than inflation. </p>
<p>But as with <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/your-money/investments/stocks-and-bonds/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about stocks and bonds.">stocks</a> and the weather, it is dangerous to assume any certainty in the housing market. And by wallowing too much in the misery of others, people looking for a new place to live run the risk of thinking every home purchase will end in regret, at least financially. </p>
<p>Many still could, if they buy in hard-hit areas where prices could fall further. </p>
<p>But a <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/your-money/loans/mortgages/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about mortgages.">mortgage</a> is still a form of long-term forced savings, after all. This is more important than ever, since fewer people have access to generous pensions than they did during the last big housing slump. A <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/your-money/retirement/401ks-and-similar-plans/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about 401(k)'s and similar Plans.">401(k)</a> or similar plan is no bargain, either, with its erratic returns and employer matches that come and go as the economic winds shift. <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/s/social_security_us/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about Social Security.">Social Security</a> is also likely to be less generous, and <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/medicare/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="Recent and archival health news about Medicare.">Medicare</a> will probably cost more. </p>
<p>Besides, owning a home isn’t just about what shows up on a net worth statement — something that bears repeating after all the “investing” that people thought they were doing when buying homes over the last 10 or 15 years. Many of these more qualitative factors, from living free of a landlord’s whim to having access to a good school district or <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/your-money/retirement/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about retirement.">retirement</a> community, haven’t changed and probably never will. </p>
<p>It is possible, as a homeowner, to make very little money but still buy plenty of happiness. So before you swear off real estate, reconsider a few of the basics. </p>
<p><strong>WORST CASES </strong>Some buyers may rue the day in 2010 they bought their homes. They may end up like those who bought in 2006 and have lost their jobs. Now those people face the difficulty of moving to pursue employment elsewhere because they owe much more than their homes are worth. </p>
<p>Marke Hallowell and Allison Firmat, who are getting married next month, are well aware of the history. Yet they plan to put 5 percent or less down, using a fixed-rate mortgage backed by the <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_housing_administration/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More articles about the Federal Housing Administration.">Federal Housing Administration</a>, once they find a condominium in southern Orange County, Calif. (They’ve already been outbid a few times.) </p>
<p>Ms. Firmat is not working, and Mr. Hallowell is a Web developer. Does he worry about mobility problems or making the payments in the event of a job loss, given that he’s the sole breadwinner? “We’re getting such a good deal on interest rates that we could rent our place out,” he said. </p>
<p>Mr. Hallowell and Ms. Firmat say they believe their approach is conservative, at least compared to what they might have done five years ago. </p>
<p>“Nothing is going to change the rate we will have,” Mr. Hallowell said. “Condos like the ones we’re looking at now were unobtainable in the past, unless we went into something with a total balloon payment. There were times I was tempted, but never seriously.” </p>
<p>Indeed, many people who are buying at the moment are locking in mortgage rates of about 4.5 percent. A year ago, they might have paid 5.25 percent on a $300,000 <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/your-money/loans/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about loans.">loan</a> for a monthly payment of about $1,657. Today, you could lock in a lower monthly payment of around $1,520 on a mortgage that size, or you might not need to borrow that much, given that prices have fallen in many areas. </p>
<p><strong>FORCED SAVINGS </strong>You may make nothing at all beyond inflation over time on a home, but the part of your mortgage payment that goes toward principal is a form of forced savings. </p>
<p>Sure, you might do better by renting and investing the difference between the rent and the total costs of ownership. But at least three things need to go right. </p>
<p>First, you need to actually save the money. Americans have trouble with that sort of plan. Then, you need an after-tax return that’s better than whatever a home would deliver. That’s a task that might not have gone so well over the last 10 or 12 years, and it involves its own future risk, given how little safer <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/your-money/investments/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about investing.">investments</a> are returning now. Finally, you must not raid the savings along the way. </p>
<p><strong>DIFFICULT LANDLORDS </strong>A bank can kick you out only if you don’t pay your mortgage. But landlords can drive you away in any number of ways. </p>
<p>Laura Mapp and her husband, Carl Berg, rented from a relative, but it didn’t go particularly well. They found another landlord they liked, but came back from a holiday trip one year to a note saying he wanted to move in himself. They had a month to scram. (The note came with a bottle of wine, at least.) </p>
<p>In yet another rental, they let their landlord know they were looking to buy and inquired about a month-to-month lease. No problem, their landlord said, as long as they used his boyfriend as their real estate agent. </p>
<p>Earlier this year, the couple gave up on landlords and <a href="http://rebeccastackhouse.blogspot.com/2010/03/laura-carl-one-lovely-house.html" title="Pictures of Laura and Carl in front of their house.">bought a house</a> in the Highland Park neighborhood in Seattle. </p>
<p><strong>THE NICE PART OF TOWN </strong>No matter how pretty the neighborhood, prices may still fall further in places like greater Detroit, Cleveland and Las Vegas; outlying areas of Los Angeles, San Francisco and Phoenix; and much of Florida. If you’re looking elsewhere, consult The Times’s <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/business/buy-rent-calculator.html" title="New York Times rent versus buy calculator.">rent-versus-buy calculator</a>, halfway down the page at <a href="http://nytimes.com/yourmoney">nytimes.com/yourmoney</a>. </p>
<p>But if you want to live in the Fox Hill Farm development in Glen Mills, Pa., you’ll have to buy because renters are not allowed, said Bob Kuhn, who lives there. The same may be true of other communities for older people. </p>
<p>And there may not be many family-size rentals — or at least any financial edge to be gained by renting — in suburbs or urban neighborhoods with excellent public schools. </p>
<p>After many years of building their down-payment fund and a couple of years of watching the listings in the Eagle Rock and Mount Washington areas of Los Angeles, Garret and Alison Williams realized that prices simply were not falling much there. </p>
<p>By the time they were ready to pounce this year, they had a big enough down payment and interest rates had fallen so far that renting didn’t make much financial sense, even if they could have found a rental big enough for them and their two small children. </p>
<p>“Had we rented, we would be paying more than we’re paying for a mortgage,” said Ms. Williams, who had lived in the same two-bedroom rental for 12 years before she and her family moved into their new house in Eagle Rock earlier this month. “I don’t see how we could really regret having made the move when it’s so much better for us on so many levels.” </p>
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<p>The new financial regulatory reform is supposed to curb the predatory lending practices that led to the collapse of the mortgage market and have put millions of Americans at risk of losing their homes. </p>
<p>The Federal Reserve must now translate the legislative language into rules that will govern how brokers, lenders, appraisers and investors behave from now on. Given the Fed’s long history of putting the financial industry first and consumer protection second, Congress will need to keep a close eye on the rule-making process. </p>
<p>It has become fashionable to blame profligate borrowers for the calamity. And there is no question that in the madness of the housing bubble, some people should never have sought mortgages or bought homes they clearly couldn’t afford. But the crisis was driven by Wall Street’s hunger for quick profits and its eagerness to buy mortgages and package them into securities. Banks, mortgage companies, brokers and appraisers all conspired to steer borrowers into loans with escalating interest rates, balloon payments and other conditions that made them highly prone to default. </p>
<p>The new law does not ban risky loans outright. It does establish several conditions that, if correctly implemented, should discourage lenders from issuing them. </p>
<p>Lenders must now take the common-sense precaution of documenting the borrower’s ability to pay. They can no longer penalize borrowers — eager to free themselves from subprime or other risky mortgages — for paying off the loans early. And lenders are forbidden to pay kickbacks — “yield spread premiums” — to brokers who push borrowers into costly, higher-interest loans. </p>
<p>If loans violate the law, borrowers will be able to stop a foreclosure and sue to recover damages. The risk of being hauled into court should persuade investors to look closer at the underlying loans to make sure that they conform with federal law. </p>
<p>These are all good, and desperately needed, reforms. Industry lobbyists, who do some of their best work in the rule-making phase, will work hard to water them down. </p>
<p>Consumer advocates are especially worried about how the Fed will formulate the rules that are supposed to stop lenders from steering creditworthy minority or female applicants into more expensive mortgages and end “wealth stripping,” under which lenders design loans that quickly rob homeowners of their equity. </p>
<p>Congressional leaders believe that the Fed was chastened by the crisis and will now do all that is needed to protect lenders. Given the agency’s long history of kowtowing to the banks, mortgage lenders and credit card companies, Congress will need to do more than trust. It will have to verify that the new rules finally give consumers — and the American economy — the strong, permanent protections they need. </p>
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<p>This article comes at an interesting time for me. On September 9th, I am a part of a real estate industry roundtable at the Federal Reserve in Oklahoma City. We will be discussing the future of our industry and this should be a part of the discusiion.</p>
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The wealth generated by housing in those decades, particularly on the coasts, did more than assure the owners a comfortable retirement. It powered the economy, paying for the education of children and grandchildren, keeping the cruise ships and golf courses full and the restaurants humming. 
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<p>The wealth generated by housing in those decades, particularly on the coasts, did more than assure the owners a comfortable retirement. It powered the economy, paying for the education of children and grandchildren, keeping the cruise ships and <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/great-homes-and-destinations/lifestyles/golf/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="">golf</a> courses full and the restaurants humming. </p>
<p>More than likely, that era is gone for good. </p>
<p>“There is no iron law that real estate must appreciate,” said Stan Humphries, chief economist for the real estate site Zillow. “All those theories advanced during the boom about why housing is special — that more people are choosing to spend more on housing, that more people are moving to the coasts, that we were running out of usable land — didn’t hold up.” </p>
<p>Instead, Mr. Humphries and other economists say, housing values will only keep up with inflation. A home will return the money an owner puts in each month, but will not multiply the investment. </p>
<p>Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, estimates that it will take 20 years to recoup the $6 trillion of housing wealth that has been lost since 2005. After adjusting for inflation, values will never catch up. </p>
<p>“People shouldn’t look at a home as a way to make money because it won’t,” Mr. Baker said. </p>
<p>If the long term is grim, the short term is grimmer. Housing experts are bracing themselves for Tuesday, when the sales figures for July will be released. The data is expected to show a drop of as much as 20 percent from last year. </p>
<p>The supply of homes sitting on the market might rise to as much as 12 months, about twice the level of a healthy market. That would push down prices as all those sellers compete to secure a buyer, adding to a slide that has already chopped off as much as 30 percent in home values. </p>
<p>Set against this dismal present and a bleak future, buying a home is a willful act of optimism. That explains why Adam and Allison Lyons are waiting to close on a $417,500 house in Deerfield, Ill. </p>
<p>“We’re trying not to think too far ahead,” said Ms. Lyons, 35, an information technology manager. </p>
<p>The couple’s first venture into real estate came in 2003 when they bought a condo in a 17-unit building under construction in Chicago. By the time they moved in two years later, it was already worth $50,000 more than they had paid. “We were thinking, great!” said Mr. Lyons, 34. </p>
<p>That quick appreciation started them on the same track as their parents, who watched the value of their houses ascend for decades. The real estate crash interrupted that pleasant dream. The couple cannot sell their condo. Unwillingly, they are becoming landlords. </p>
<p>“I don’t think we’re ever going to see the prosperity our parents did, but I don’t think it’s all doom and gloom either,” said Mr. Lyons, a manager at I.B.M. “At some point, you just have to say what the heck and go for it.” </p>
<p>Other buyers have grand and even grander expectations. </p>
<p>In an annual survey conducted by the economists <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/robert_j_shiller/index.html?inline=nyt-per" title="More articles about Robert J. Shiller.">Robert J. Shiller</a> and Karl E. Case, hundreds of new owners in four communities — Alameda County near San Francisco, Boston, Orange County south of Los Angeles, and Milwaukee — once again said they believed prices would rise about 10 percent a year for the next decade. </p>
<p>With minor swings in sentiment, the latest results reflect what new buyers always seem to feel. At the boom’s peak in 2005, they said prices would go up. When the market was sliding in 2008, they still said prices would go up. </p>
<p>“People think it’s a law of nature,” said Mr. Shiller, who teaches at Yale. </p>
<p>For the first half of the 20th century, he said, expectations followed the opposite path. Houses were seen the way cars are now: as a consumer durable that the buyer eventually used up. </p>
<p>The notion of housing as an investment first began to blossom after World War II, when the nesting urges of returning soldiers created a construction boom. Demand was stoked as their bumper crop of children grew up and bought places of their own. The inflation of the 1970s, which increased the value of hard assets, and liberal tax policies both helped make housing a good bet. So did the long decline in mortgage rates from the early 1980s. </p>
<p>Despite all these tailwinds, prices rose modestly for much of the period. Real home prices increased 1.1 percent a year after inflation, according to Mr. Shiller’s research. </p>
<p>By the late 1990s, however, the rate was 4 percent a year. Happy homeowners were taking about $100 billion a year out of their houses, which paid for a lot of good times. </p>
<p>“The experience we had from the late 1970s to the late 1990s was an aberration,” said Barry Ritholtz of the equity research firm Fusion IQ. “People shouldn’t be holding their breath waiting for it to happen again.” </p>
<p>Not everyone views the notion of real appreciation in real estate as a lost cause. </p>
<p>Bob Walters, chief economist of the online mortgage firm Quicken, acknowledges that the recent collapse will create a “mind scar” just as <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/g/great_depression_1930s/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="Recent and archival news about the Great Depression.">the Great Depression</a> did. But he argues that housing remains unique. </p>
<p>“You have to live somewhere,” he said. “In three or four years, people will resume a normal course, and home values will continue to increase.” </p>
<p>All homes are different, and some neighborhoods and regions will rebound more quickly. On the other hand, areas where there was intense overbuilding, like Arizona, will be extremely slow to show any sign of renewal. </p>
<p>“It’s entirely likely that markets like Arizona will not recover even in the 15- to 20-year time frame,” said Mr. Humphries of Zillow. “The demand doesn’t exist.” </p>
<p>Owners in those foreclosure-plagued areas consider themselves lucky if they are still solvent. But that does not prevent the occasional regret that a life-changing sum of money was so briefly within their grasp. </p>
<p>Robert Austin, a Phoenix lawyer, paid $200,000 for his home in 2000. Five years later, his neighbors listed a similar home for $500,000. </p>
<p>Freedom beckoned. “I thought, when my daughter gets out of school, I can sell the house and buy a boat and sail around the world,” said Mr. Austin, 56. </p>
<p>His home is now worth about what he paid for it. As for that cruise, “it may be a while,” Mr. Austin said. Showing the hopefulness that is apparently innate to homeowners, he added: “But I won’t rule it out forever.” </p>
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<p>I agree with much of the article. Oklahoma did not participate in the bubble boom of 2000-2007 because we were in recovery rather than oversupply, so we did not experience a meltdown, rather we are having a market correction at this time. However, appreciation will be very slow to come back in most areas, even here. Home ownenership will have to be based again on tax deduction, paying down the mortgage, and pride of personalization and control. Appreciation will be the icing on the cake once again, and that is not a bad thing.</p>
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In July, for the 17th month in a row, there were more than 300,000 foreclosures filings, including default notices, auction notices and bank repossessions, according to RealtyTrac, a marketer of foreclosed properties. Over the past eight months, bank repossessions have surged. In July, 92,858 homes were repossessed. 
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<p>As repossessed homes are put up for sale, house prices are likely to fall further. As prices fall, more borrowers end up “underwater” — owing more on their mortgages than their homes are worth. That’s a big risk factor for default, especially when coupled with high unemployment. Moody’s <a href="http://Economy.com" target="_">Economy.com</a> estimates that 1.9 million homes will be lost this year, down only slightly from 2 million in 2009. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, there is no evidence that the Obama administration’s efforts to address the foreclosure problem will make an appreciable dent. Its main program — which pays lenders to modify bad loans — was started over a year ago. So far, only 398,198 loans have been permanently modified. Of the $30 billion allotted to the program, only $321 million has been spent so far. </p>
<p>Part of the problem is poor administration. Homeowners, who apply to their bank or mortgage service company, complain about confusing procedures and lost paperwork. Banks have complained of frequent rule changes from the government. </p>
<p>Obama administration officials have blamed the banks for poor customer service while also arguing that this is inherently difficult to manage; lenders have had to establish new systems and hire people to undertake difficult case-by-case analyses to determine who qualifies for a loan modification. The program’s inspector general recently faulted the Treasury Department for failing to set clear goals and benchmarks for the program. </p>
<p>Another big problem is that many lenders, whose participation in the program is voluntary, have been reluctant to aggressively rework bad loans. Reducing a loan’s principal balance — rather than lowering interest levels or extending payout periods — is often the best chance of keeping underwater borrowers in their homes. Banks have been loath to accept the bigger losses that come with lowering principal. Fearing that banks will drop out of the program altogether, the Treasury has not pushed them hard enough. </p>
<p>The administration has recently begun other, more promising antiforeclosure efforts. So far, they are too small to make a big difference. A total of $4.1 billion has been committed this year for state-based efforts to help unemployed or underwater borrowers in 18 states (and the District of Columbia) that have been hit especially hard by joblessness and falling house prices. About $2 billion worth of projects have been approved and are expected to help 140,000 borrowers. </p>
<p>State efforts to help the unemployed may be easier to implement because they are more likely to involve temporary cash assistance to help pay mortgages, rather than loan modifications. Helping underwater borrowers achieve principal reductions, however, may prove as difficult on the state level as it has been in the federal program. </p>
<p>If these initial state-based efforts are successful, the administration must keep expanding them. The nation badly needs an antiforeclosure plan that is, finally, up to the scale of the problem. </p>
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<p>First, as someone who works with distressed homeowners, loan modifications are just a divice to kick the foreclosure down the road, it only adds more pricinciple so when the trial period is over the payment is higher and since the old lower payment was not being made then the foreclosure is ususally a sure thing. Second, I blame the real estate business. REALTORS® who don&#8217;t know the first thing about short sales are trying to do them. The banks are plagued with incomplete paperwork, multiple offers which is improper, and lack of follow up. This clogs the system and slows down the complete and accurate packets for distressed homeowners and puts them in jeopardy.</p>
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<p>The delinquency rate on <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/your-money/loans/home-equity-loans/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about home equity loans.">home equity loans</a> is higher than all other types of consumer <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/your-money/loans/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about loans.">loans</a>, including <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/your-money/loans/auto-loans/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about auto loans.">auto loans</a>, boat loans, personal loans and even bank cards like <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/visa_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More information about Visa Inc.">Visa</a> and <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/mastercard-inc/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More information about Mastercard International Inc">MasterCard</a>, according to the American Bankers Association. </p>
<p>Lenders say they are trying to recover some of that money but their success has been limited, in part because so many borrowers threaten bankruptcy and because the value of the homes, the collateral backing the loans, has often disappeared. </p>
<p>The result is one of the paradoxes of the <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/r/recession_and_depression/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about the recession.">recession</a>: the more money you borrowed, the less likely you will have to pay up. </p>
<p>“When houses were doubling in value, mom and pop making $80,000 a year were taking out $300,000 home equity loans for new cars and boats,” said Christopher A. Combs, a real <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/your-money/planning/estate-planning/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about estate planning.">estate</a> lawyer here, where the problem is especially pronounced. “Their chances are pretty good of walking away and not having the bank collect.” </p>
<p>Lenders wrote off as uncollectible $11.1 billion in home equity loans and $19.9 billion in home equity lines of credit in 2009, more than they wrote off on primary <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/your-money/loans/mortgages/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about mortgages.">mortgages</a>, government data shows. So far this year, the trend is the same, with combined write-offs of $7.88 billion in the first quarter. </p>
<p>Even when a lender forces a borrower to settle through legal action, it can rarely extract more than 10 cents on the dollar. “People got 90 cents for free,” Mr. Combs said. “It rewards immorality, to some extent.” </p>
<p>Utah Loan Servicing is a debt collector that buys home equity loans from lenders. Clark Terry, the chief executive, says he does not pay more than $500 for a loan, regardless of how big it is. </p>
<p>“Anything over $15,000 to $20,000 is not collectible,” Mr. Terry said. “Americans seem to believe that anything they can get away with is O.K.” </p>
<p>But the borrowers argue that they are simply rebuilding their ravaged lives. Many also say that the banks were predatory, or at least indiscriminate, in making loans, and nevertheless were bailed out by the federal government. Finally, they point to their trump card: they say will declare bankruptcy if a settlement is not on favorable terms. </p>
<p>“I am not going to be a slave to the bank,” said Shawn Schlegel, a real estate agent who is in default on a $94,873 home equity loan. His lender obtained a court order garnishing his wages, but that was 18 months ago. Mr. Schlegel, 38, has not heard from the lender since. “The case is sitting stagnant,” he said. “Maybe it will just go away.” </p>
<p>Mr. Schlegel’s tale is similar to many others who got caught up in the boom: He came to Arizona in 2003 and quickly accumulated three houses and some land. Each deal financed the next. “I was taught in real estate that you use your leverage to grow. I never dreamed the properties would go from $265,000 to $65,000.” </p>
<p>Apparently neither did one of his lenders, the Desert Schools Federal Credit Union, which gave him a home equity loan secured by, the contract states, the “security interest in your dwelling or other real property.” </p>
<p>Desert Schools, the largest credit union in Arizona, increased its allowance for loan losses of all types by 926 percent in the last two years. It declined to comment. </p>
<p>The amount of bad home equity loan business during the boom is incalculable and in retrospect inexplicable, housing experts say. Most of the debt is still on the books of the lenders, which include <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/bank_of_america_corporation/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More information about Bank of America Corp">Bank of America</a>, <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/citigroup_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More information about Citigroup Incorporated">Citigroup</a> and <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/morgan_j_p_chase_and_company/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More information about JPMorgan Chase &amp; Company.">JPMorgan Chase</a>. </p>
<p>“No one had ever seen a national real estate bubble,” said Keith Leggett, a senior economist with the American Bankers Association. “We would love to change history so more conservative underwriting practices were put in place.” </p>
<p>The delinquency rate on home equity loans was 4.12 percent in the first quarter, down slightly from the fourth quarter of 2009, when it was the highest in 26 years of such record keeping. Borrowers who default can expect damage to their creditworthiness and in some cases tax consequences. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, Mr. Leggett said, “more than a sliver” of the debt will never be repaid. </p>
<p>Eric Hairston plans to be among this group. During the boom, he bought as an <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/your-money/investments/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about investing.">investment</a> a three-apartment property in Hoboken, N.J. At the peak, when the building was worth as much as $1.5 million, he took out a $190,000 home equity loan. </p>
<p>Mr. Hairston, who worked in the technology department of the investment bank <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/lehman_brothers_holdings_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More articles about Lehman Brothers.">Lehman Brothers</a>, invested in a Northern California pizza catering company. When real estate cratered, Mr. Hairston went into default. </p>
<p>The building was sold this spring for $750,000. Only a small slice went to the home equity lender, which reserved the right to come after Mr. Hairston for the rest of what it was owed. </p>
<p>Mr. Hairston, who now works for the pizza company, has not heard again from his lender. </p>
<p>Since the lender made a bad loan, Mr. Hairston argues, a 10 percent settlement would be reasonable. “It’s not the homeowner’s fault that the value of the collateral drops,” he said. </p>
<p>Marc McCain, a Phoenix lawyer, has been retained by about 300 new clients in the last year, many of whom were planning to walk away from properties they could afford but wanted to be rid of — strategic defaulters. On top of their unpaid mortgage obligations, they had home equity loans of $50,000 to $150,000. </p>
<p>Fewer than 5 percent of these clients said they would continue paying their home equity loan no matter what. Ten percent intend to negotiate a short sale on their house, where the holders of the primary mortgage and the home equity loan agree to accept less than what they are owed. In such deals primary mortgage holders get paid first. </p>
<p>The other 85 percent said they would default and worry about the debt only if and when they were forced to, Mr. McCain said. </p>
<p>“People want to have some green pastures in front of them,” said Mr. McCain, who recently negotiated a couple’s $75,000 home equity debt into a $3,500 settlement. “It’s come to the point where morality is no longer an issue.” </p>
<p>Darin Bolton, a software engineer, defaulted on the loans for his house in a Chicago suburb last year because “we felt we were just tossing our money into a hole.” This spring, he moved into a rental a few blocks away. </p>
<p>“I’m kind of banking on there being too many of us for the lenders to pursue,” he said. “There is strength in numbers.” </p>
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<h3>Unemployment figures in the Oklahoma City area increased in May </h3>
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<p>Despite May increase in unemployment, U.S. Census Bureau positions helped keep Oklahoma City&#8217;s jobless numbers from looking worse.</p>
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<div title="2010-07-01T11:21:26Z">Published: July 1, 2010<br />Modified: June 30, 2010 at 10:36 pm </div>
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<p>The <a href="http://www.newsok.com/article/3472656#" title="Oklahoma City">Oklahoma City</a> area unemployment rate crept up to 6.5 percent in May, compared with 5.9 percent in April and 6.1 percent in May 2009, the <a href="http://www.newsok.com/article/3472656#" title="Oklahoma Employment Securities Commission">Oklahoma Employment Securities Commission</a> said. </p>
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<p>While the jobless rate in the Oklahoma City area increased in May, the rise was mitigated by hundreds of temporary jobs that were filled with the <a href="http://www.newsok.com/article/3472656#" title="U.S. Census Bureau">U.S. Census Bureau</a>, officials said. </p>
<p>Many sectors lost jobs, including manufacturing and business support services, but the number of federal jobs in the metro area rose by about 900 last month. </p>
<p>Many of those can be attributed to census hiring. </p>
<p>The Oklahoma City census office hired about 1,000 people in the spring, including droves of workers who traveled door to door last month taking census information. </p>
<p>&#8220;It does help the economy over this period,” said <a href="http://www.newsok.com/article/3472656#" title="Sydnee Chattin-Reynolds">Sydnee Chattin-Reynolds</a>, deputy regional director for the U.S. Census Bureau. </p>
<p>Applicants were exceptionally qualified, she said, and even included out-of-work professionals with doctoral degrees. </p>
<p>However, census operations are coming to a close and the Oklahoma City office now has only one-quarter of its work force left, she said. </p>
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<p>The May jobless rate was 6.2 percent in the <a href="http://www.newsok.com/article/3472656#" title="Lawton (Oklahoma)">Lawton</a> area and 7.7 percent in the <a href="http://www.newsok.com/article/3472656#" title="Tulsa">Tulsa</a> area, both increases from the previous month.
<p><a href="http://www.newsok.com/article/3472656#" title="John Carpenter">John Carpenter</a>, spokesman for the OESC, said <a href="http://www.newsok.com/article/3472656#" title="Oklahoma">Oklahoma</a> cities continue to have lower jobless rates than most metropolitan areas in the nation. </p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.newsok.com/article/3472656#" title="Washington, DC">Washington, D.C.</a>, area had the lowest May rate, 6 percent, while the highest at 14.1 percent was in <a href="http://www.newsok.com/article/3472656#" title="Las Vegas">Las Vegas</a>. </p>
<p>The state unemployment rate for May was 6.9 percent. </p>
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<div>Of course the unemployment rate is going up. We have the most corrupt and incompetent administration in our nation&#8217;s history in charge of the economy. </div>
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<div>In Oklahoma City? The story is about Oklahoma City, idiot. </div>
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<div>No one in my family is unemployed&#8230; Of course we all stayed in school and will actually work&#8230; </div>
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<div>CHANGE you can believe in. Higher unemployment, higher taxes. Yup, that is change. </div>
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<div>Yeah, cause nobody was getting laid off until Obama was sworn into office.
<p>This is not a party issue, quit trying to make it one. </p>
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<div>Oklahoma&#8217;s republican controlled govt, has let the people down. Instead of job bills, you got abortion control, gun deregulation, and NO enforcement of HB1804 </div>
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<div>It is the end result of pure greed starting back to the late 70&#8217;s, companies buying each other, loans made to buy things that could not be paid for. The endless consumption, which finally got to a breaking point. At that point it did not matter which party was in control when the cycle broke, it just broke. </div>
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<div>Nice, try, Just the Facts, but no cigar. The Democrats did not cause Wall Street and the financial sector to use &#8220;financial innovation&#8221; to create the Great Recession. Neither did Republicans, but their bias against enforcing the law (which is what regulation is) sure didn&#8217;t help.
<p>And to all conservatives, please disabuse yourself of your party&#8217;s propaganda that poor people, minorities and Democrats caused the meltdown. McClatchy newspapers took the facts (link below), which showed that the private sector made more than 80 percent of the risky sub-prime loans. Only 20 percent of these high-profit, high-risk loans were held by Fannie and others. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty much this simple: I loan Joe $100,000 for a house without making him prove his income. I make him put $5,000 down, so that&#8217;s cash for me. As he pays me 12 percent interest a month, I earn 3 times what the stock market could. When he defaults, I get the house back and sell it again for $100,000 or more. That worked beautifully for years.</p>
<p>The failure was due to the fact that the private sector (including big players like the now-defunct Washington Mutual) put too many of these bad loans on the market. They did it because they made short-term huge green on these high-profit bad loans. When the defaults piled up to the tipping point, the housing mkt flooded and prices plunged. </p>
<p>P.S. Fannie and Freddie don&#8217;t make loans to poor people. They buy the loans that the private sector makes to them. Prosecutions are ongoing against the private firms who lied to F and F about the quality of the loans. By prosecuting, the American public will get its money back from the private-sector crooks.</p>
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<div>Last time I checked, 6.5 percent is a heck of a lot better than then national average of 9.7 percent. Remember here that Democrats are in control in Washington &#8211; completely in control.
<p>But, let me guess &#8211; it is all Bush&#8217;s fault, right? Well, he certainly deserves some of the blame, but looking at these charts from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, I would say the Democrats own this baby (notice recession begins after Democrats take control of House and Senate):</p>
<p><a href="http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&amp;graph_name=LN_cpsbref3" rel="nofollow">http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputSer&#8230;</a></p>
<p>They are also in control of California which is bankrupt and has an average unemployment of 12.4 percent and an unemployment of around 18 percent in more liberal cities like LA.</p>
<p>Considering what the Oklahoma Republicans are fighting against with the Democrats I would say they are doing a pretty darn good job. </p>
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<p>No matter how bad the jobless rate gets, there&#8217;s always the crummy jobs out there, such as dishwashing or janitorial positions, to help you get by until better occupations return when the economy springs back. </p>
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<div>In the 80&#8217;s, that was still true, and I did quite a few double shifts scrubbing off dirty plates back then.<br />Now&#8211;illegal labor has taken many of those positions. </div>
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<div>Not to fear, okies.
<p>The worst of this recession hasn&#8217;t hit you yet, but it will.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see how &#8220;all y&#8217;alls&#8221; are talking up how wonderful you&#8217;ve been baffled into believing this stinkhole is a bit down the line&#8230;. </p>
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<div>Well, we will have the NBA to ease our minds. Too bad Seattle doesn&#8217;t have that. </div>
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<div>I once lived in a city I didn&#8217;t like. I moved. I&#8217;m much happier now. You have that same option as well Paul. Unless you just like being a miserable SOB.
<p>Hey Oklahoman, please bring back the ignore feature. Thanks. </p>
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<p>Although this is not great news it is not unexpected. Temporary jobs like wiht the census helped lower the unemployment statistic. It took this country years of bad economic practices and too much leverage to get to this crisis, so we will have these bumps as we try to get to a continued recovery mode. With Las Vegas at 14.1% Oklahoma City citizens could have it worse.</p>
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Bill Bridwell, a real estate agent in the desert south of Phoenix, is among the thousands of agents hired nationwide by the companies to sell those foreclosures, recouping some of the money that borrowers failed to repay. In a good week, he sells 20 homes and Fannie sends another 20 listings his way. 
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<p>Bill Bridwell, a real estate agent in the desert south of Phoenix, is among the thousands of agents hired nationwide by the companies to sell those foreclosures, recouping some of the money that borrowers failed to repay. In a good week, he sells 20 homes and Fannie sends another 20 listings his way. </p>
<p>“We’re all working for the government now,” said Mr. Bridwell on a recent sun-baked morning, steering a Hummer through subdivisions laid out like circuit boards on the desert floor. </p>
<p>For all the focus on the historic federal rescue of the banking industry, it is the government’s decision to seize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in September 2008 that is likely to cost taxpayers the most money. So far the tab stands at $145.9 billion, and it grows with every foreclosure of a three-bedroom home with a two-car garage one hour from Phoenix. The <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/congressional_budget_office/index.html?inline=nyt-org" title="More articles about Congressional Budget Office, U.S.">Congressional Budget Office</a> predicts that the final bill could <a href="http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/108xx/doc10878/01-13-FannieFreddie.pdf" title="C.B.O. estimate of Freddie and Fannie costs.">reach $389 billion</a>. </p>
<p>Fannie and Freddie increased American home ownership over the last half-century by persuading investors to provide money for mortgage loans. The sales pitch amounted to a money-back guarantee: If borrowers defaulted, the companies promised to repay the investors. </p>
<p>Rather than actually making loans, the two companies — Fannie older and larger, Freddie created to provide competition — bought loans from banks and other originators, providing money for more lending and helping to hold down interest rates. </p>
<p>“Our business is the American dream of home ownership,” Fannie Mae declared in its mission statement, and in 2001 the company set a target of helping to create six million new homeowners by 2014. Here in Arizona, during a housing boom fueled by cheap land, cheap money and population growth, Fannie Mae executives trumpeted that the company would invest $15 billion to help families buy homes. </p>
<p>As it turns out, Fannie and Freddie increasingly were channeling money into loans that borrowers could not afford. As defaults mounted, the companies quickly ran low on money to honor their guarantees. The federal government, fearing that investors would stop providing money for new loans, placed the companies in conservatorship and took a 79.9 percent ownership stake, adding its own guarantee that investors would be repaid. </p>
<p>The huge and continually rising cost of that decision has spurred national debate about federal subsidies for mortgage lending. Republicans want to sever ties with Fannie and Freddie once the crisis abates. The Obama administration and Congressional Democrats have insisted on postponing the argument until after the midterm elections. </p>
<p>In the meantime, Fannie and Freddie are, at public expense, removing owners who cannot afford their homes, reselling the houses at much lower prices and financing mortgage loans for the new owners. </p>
<p>The two companies together accounted for 17 percent of real estate sales in Arizona during the first four months of the year, almost three times their share of the market during the same period last year, according to an analysis by MDA DataQuick. </p>
<p>Valarie Ross, who lives in the Phoenix suburb of Avondale, has watched six of the nine homes visible from her lawn chair emptied by moving trucks during the last year. Four have been resold by the government. “One by one,” she said. “Just amazing.” </p>
<p>The population of Pinal County, where Mr. Bridwell lives and works, roughly doubled to 340,000 over the last decade. Developers built an entirely new city called Maricopa on land assembled from farmers. Buyers camped outside new developments, waiting to purchase homes. One builder laid out a 300-lot subdivision at the end of a three-mile dirt road and still managed to sell 30 of the homes. </p>
<p>Mr. Bridwell sold plenty of those houses during the boom, then cut workers as prices crashed. Now his firm, Golden Touch Realty, again employs as many people as at the height of the boom, all working exclusively for Fannie Mae. The payroll now includes a locksmith to secure foreclosed homes and two clerks devoted to federal paperwork. </p>
<p>Golden Touch gets more listings from Fannie Mae than any other firm in Pinal County. Mr. Bridwell said he was ready to jump because he remembered the last time the government ended up owning thousands of Arizona houses, after the late-1980s collapse of the <a href="http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/s/savings_and_loan_associations/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier" title="More articles about savings and loan associations.">savings and loan</a> industry. </p>
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<p>This is an excellent article about the foreclosure problem in America. Oklahoma has not had the woes of Florida, Arizona, and nevade but we still have rising foreclosures and the cost for this is increasing. This is why short sales where we keep a homeowner out of foreclosure is a good thing for the taxpayer because it does two things valuable. First it limits the loss to less than what foreclosure ultimately cost. Second, it helps limit the credit rating hit of the homeowner where a foreclosure can destroy the ability to even get a decent car loan. If you are a distressed homeowner having a hardship that keeps you from making house payments, contact me at <a href="mailto:joe@joepryor.com">joe@joepryor.com</a> for a consultation.</p>
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Exacting buyers are upending the battered real estate market, agents and other experts say, leading to last-minute demands for multiple concessions, bruised feelings on all sides and many more collapsed deals than usual. 
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<p>Exacting buyers are upending the battered real estate market, agents and other experts say, leading to last-minute demands for multiple concessions, bruised feelings on all sides and many more collapsed deals than usual. </p>
<p>It is a reversal of roles from the boom, when competing buyers were sometimes reduced to writing heartfelt letters saying how much they loved the house and how they promised to eternally worship the memory of the previous owners. These days, it is the buyers who are coldly seeking the absolute best deal while the sellers are left in emotional turmoil. </p>
<p>“We see buyers who must have learned their moves from the World Wrestling Federation,” said Glenn Kelman, chief executive of the online broker Redfin. “They think the final smack-down occurs at the inspection, where the seller will be reluctant to refuse any demand because the alternative is putting the house back on the market as damaged goods.” </p>
<p>Everyone expected the housing market to suffer at least a temporary hangover after the government’s $8,000 tax credit expired, but not necessarily this much. Preliminary data from around the country indicates that the housing market began swooning last month immediately after the credit was no longer available. In some places, sales dropped more than 20 percent from May 2009, when the worst of the financial crisis had subsided. </p>
<p>Builders have been affected too. Construction of new homes in May dropped 17.2 percent from April, the Commerce Department said Wednesday, significantly lower than forecast. Permits for future construction dropped 10 percent, suggesting a cruel summer. </p>
<p>Even the lowest home mortgage rates in decades are not doing much to invite deals. The Mortgage Bankers Association said Wednesday that applications for loans to buy houses were down by a third compared with last year. Applications are back to the level of the mid-1990s, when the country’s housing market was smaller. </p>
<p>Against such a backdrop of misery, buyers are empowered — and are taking full advantage. </p>
<p>John Porter Simons, a Seattle software engineer, thought he had a couple willing to pay $340,000 for his house. But they asked for $24,000 worth of work, most of which involved waterproofing the basement. “It was totally irrational,” said Mr. Simons. “My basement has never flooded. I live on a hill.” </p>
<p>He made a counteroffer to their offer, and the buyers walked. The house is now under contract to a new set of buyers, who got a cut in price and $2,500 in electrical work thrown in. </p>
<p>Buyers, of course, say they are merely being smart. </p>
<p>Chris Dunn, an economic consultant in Chicago, saw a house he liked last month for $539,000. He offered $500,000, but then his inspector told him that he would eventually have to replace the windows. The sellers were persuaded to kick in $10,000 more to pay for the work. </p>
<p>“We didn’t feel we were being that aggressive,” said Mr. Dunn. “We had the position, ‘If the seller is willing to come down enough, we will buy this home.’ If they weren’t willing, we would have just moved on. In this market, you have a lot of options.” </p>
<p>In some cases, agents say, sellers literally cannot afford to make concessions. Another $10,000 will push them underwater, which means they will have to arrange the sale through the bank. </p>
<p>“People cashed in on their houses to get money to go on vacation, for a new roof, to send the kids to college,” said Roberta Baldwin, an agent in Montclair, N.J. “They thought it was always going to be worth more.” </p>
<p>Even when a sale can be worked out, it is not uncommon for everyone to walk away feeling more aggrieved than celebratory. </p>
<p>“Buyers feel they’re not appreciated for simply making an offer,” Ms. Baldwin said. “And sellers feel humiliated and even angry. They expected to do better.” </p>
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<p>I have been checking the days on market and price reductions in various parts of Oklahoma City and it would confirm this analysis even in our market which is deemed by many as stable. The company I use for detailed market statistics, Altos Research confirms this also. priceing for sellers is crucial, in fact it is more important than it has ever been in the last decade.</p>
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